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Category: Con Artists |
Submitted: 4/15/2003 5:47:43 PM
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Montres Allison Terry Allison Montres Allison Deboy Watches Terry Allison scam fraud ripoff con-artists Montres Allison uses several different names on ebay to sell watches making false claims, ripoff Golden Colorado *UPDATE ..Terry Allison past cons |
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Address:
1548 Karlann Dr
Golden Colorado 80403
U.S.A.
Phone Number:
303-582-5090
THIS REPORT HAS BEEN
DEEMED DEFAMATORY and contains several proven inaccuracies. |
TThis is the MA Tourbillon II which MA claims is they're exclusive movement which they spent thousands of dollars to develop.
Montres Allison is a small watch company comprised of Terry Allison and Linda Allison. The mother and son team run Montres Allison from Linda Allison's house, which Terry has named Ensvizzengarten in an attempt to sound Swiss. Montres Allison uses several different names on ebay to sell watcMontres
Allison Montres Allison Montres Allison Montres Allison Montres Allison hes, which they claim are authorized dealers. The biggest one is Deboy Watches. Deboy watches is also run out of Linda Allison's house by her. The reason for Deboy Watches and the other names they use is to give the appearance that they are well established and well known everywhere. Terry and Linda both use aliases when dealing with people. Terry uses: Walt, Jim, Bob, and probably many others. Linda uses: Elsie. If you have received an email from Montres Allison or Deboy Watches with these names, it was really Terry or Linda, because these people don't exist. They hide behind aliases so they can lie to people and not be held accountable as well as giving the appearance Montres Allison is a large company. Terry runs several watch-related chat forums, posting messages under fake names so he can praise his watches and again lend the appearance that many watch aficionados really love his junk watches. Some of Terry's alleged aliases for chat rooms or bulletin boards: Ian, John the generator, Watchmaniac, Mike Pisano, and on and on. There are too many to keep track of or know about.
The watches they sell are assemMontres Allison Montres Allison Montres Allison
Montres Allison Montres Allison bled in Hong Kong with China movements. They claim the watches are assembled in the US. MA claims the newer models have Swiss ETA movements, which has not been independently verified. These newer models with alleged ETAs in them are priced cheaper than all of the first MA models that were built with China movements. This makes it obvious that everyone who bought the cheaper models were totally ripped-off. They have several models which they pay as little as $35.00 dollars for and then claim it sells at retail from $1,500.00 up to $20,000 dollars. They sell them on ebay in no reserve auctions, claiming it to be a name building promotion. This promo has run for over 3 years! Even after MA claimed this promotion would end on April 31, 2003, most MA watches are still sold in no reserve auctions. Also note that Terry or MA claim there are many counterfeit MA watches out there. How can they be counterfeit if they come from the same company that supplies MA their watches? I sincerely doubt the company sells MA a great movement and sells everyone else a duplicate piece of crap.
One of Montres Allison's so called authorized dealers is TimeBeat. Terry and TimeBeat have many ties, which go back to the beginning of both Montres Allison and TimeBeat. The only seller of MA's first two watches the Jour et Nuit and the Slaathaug is Timebeat. This is because Timebeat paid for these first two watches and now they have the right to sell them. MA doesn't even sell them! TimeBeat has a large ebay and web presence and helps MA look legitimate. TimeBeat knows the cost of these watches, so they are equally responsible for perpetuating this scam.
All these auctions on ebay are in private and the feedback is also private, making it very difficult to warn or contact other ebay bidders or winners. As far as the positive feed- back is concerned on ebay, the only reqMontres
Allison Montres Allison Montres Allison Montres Allison Montres Allison uirement for a good feedback is prompt shipment to the winner. Anyone familiar with buying on ebay knows that as long as the item is shipped for free, quickly, and in tact the buyer will usually leave a positive feedback. But since these people cannot be contacted and told they just bought a 35 dollar watch thinking it is worth several thousand, they won't be leaving negative feedback.
When a customer asks about all the bad press on the internet about Montres Allison, Terry conveniently claims everyone who has negative statements are simply disgruntled people from the past who are trying to make trouble for him. This is a ridiculous assertion, the truth is there are many people who know these watches are a scam and are trying to help inform others.
Montres Allison successfully fooled hundreds if not thousands of people making thousands of dollars. They have enough ill gotten money to buy advertising in an attempt to look legitimate. They frequently refer people to magazines in which they have placed ads. Keep in mind that it doesn't matter what publication they are in, it is simply paid advertising. Anyone with the money can get into these same magazines.
If you want to see one of Terry Allison's past cons check these links out. Paste or type these web addresses into your Internet browser.
This link is a on a Denver TV news web site regarding Amerideck/Deck stars, another company Terry used to con people before Montres Allison.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/den/call7forhelp/stories/call7forhelp-101681020011015-171044.html
This link is for Denver BBB, a report on Amerideck.
http://www.denver.bbb.org/commonreport.html?compid=9031485
This is yet another news organization in Denver responding to Terry's Amerideck. Look down the pg for: Ann, from Colorado.
http://www.troubleshooter.com/data/dumparchive
/tom_comments08_01.htm
If you bought any MA watch take it to be appraised and learn for yourself. Than contact us and help do something about it. These models in particular are definitely China movements. Several of the new models which haven't been released yet are also verified China movements.
1. Jour et Nuit
2. Slaathaug master calendiere
3. Jitana
4. Master Calendar “now named Master Calendar/Etalon Master because Franck Muller lawyers sent a threatening letter to MA”
5. Couer De Temps
6. Etalon
7. Reserve De Marche
8. Tourbillon
9. Ciclone
10. Energie
11. Uragano
12. Tourbo Billion
13. Tempeste
14. Evolution
This is the web site of Million Smart a company in Hong Kong which is the supplier of all MA watches. MA calls this the Montres Allison Tourbillon which is alleged to retail for 10,000 to over 100,000 dollars. This watch is made in China for Million Smart and is not an exclusive MA watch design nor an imitation but they want you to think they had this watch designed for them at a cost of thousands.
Scott
black hawk, Colorado
U.S.A.
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Submitted: 4/22/2003 10:50:02 PM Modified: 5/16/2003 4:31:48 PM
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Terry Allison past cons |
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Here are some links showing one of Terry Allison's past scams. Paist these URL's into your browser. This link is a on a Denver TV news web site regarding Amerideck/Deck stars, another company Terry used to con people before Montres Allison. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/ den/call7forhelp/stories/call7forhelp-101681020011015-171044.html This link is for Denver BBB, a report on Amerideck. http://www.denver.bbb.org/commonreport.html?compid=9031485 This is yet another news organization in Denver responding to Terry's Amerideck. Look down the pg for: Ann, from Colorado. http://www.troubleshooter.com/ data/dumparchive/tom_comments08_01.htm
Scott - black hawk, Colorado
U.S.A.
STOP! ..before you think about using the Better Business Bureau (BBB)... CLICK HERE to see how other consumers were victimized by the BBB's false or misleading information. Don't be fooled! It has been reported, when there are thousands of complaints and other investigations underway by authorities, the BBB has no choice but to finally give an UNsatisfactory rating to a BBB member business that is paying the BBB big membership fees every year. When a business is reported that is NOT a BBB member, BBB files WILL more likely show an UNsatisfactory rating, then reportedly shake down that company to become a member of the BBB. One positive thing about the BBB is, either way, if a business has an unsatisfactory rating with the BBB, you can be sure, the business is bad. But what about all those BBB member businesses that had complaints filed against them? Consumers never get to hear about them. What about the BBB advertising to the public? Is this a false and misleading perception they are giving about “consumer confidence” when dealing with a business? Click here to understand more of what consumers and business alike are saying about the BBB. You decide. ..Remember. The BBB membership is not earned, it's paid for!
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REBUTTAL Owner of company
Submitted: 6/22/2003 6:38:41 PM Modified: 6/22/2003 10:15:33 PM
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THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS REPORT DOESNT HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WATCHES |
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I AM SORRY TO SAY THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS REPORT DOESNT HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WATCHES AT ALL, HE JUST USE THE REPORT FOUND ON TIMEZONE.NET. WHICH BY THE WAY THEY TOOK OFF AFTER TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THE MONTRES ALLISON WATCH, THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS REPORT ALSO PURCHASE SEVER WATCHES FROM TIMEBEAT.COM AND HIS CHECK BOUNCE, AFTER GIVING THE COMPANY HIS BUSINESS LICENSE NUMBER FOUND OUT HE WAS A FRAUD, BY THE WAY HE STILL I UNDERSTAND OWNS SEVERAL DEALERS MONEY, I AM A WATCH COLLECTOR, FOR THE MONEY ALLISON WATCHES ARE WELL WORTH THE MONEY, MOST PART ARE EITHER GERMAN OR SWISS, AND WATCH CENTRAL REPAIR HAS A VERY HIGH REPORE IN THE INDUSTRY, I AM SURE THEY WONT WORK ON JUNK AS THE ARTICIAL STATES, THEY ARE A HIGHER NOTED REPAIR CENTER. I LOVE MY WATCH AND PURCHASE SEVERAL OF THEM.
Jack - West Palm Beach, Florida
U.S.A.
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Submitted: 6/23/2003 10:58:08 AM Modified: 6/23/2003 11:00:51 PM
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Montres Allison now hiding behind TimeBeat.com |
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My personal knowledge of watches is as irrelevant as your rebuttal, it does not take a certified master watch builder to comprehend that if you take a $30.00 dollar watch and add zero improvements to it and then lie to everyone claiming it retails for $5.000, $10.000, or $20.000, then you are ripping people off. Nothing from my article was taken from any other website and I can only assume you are referring to an article on TimeZone, which compares Montres Allison to a cheap $60.00 dollar Franck Muller and still looses.
By the way, this article was never removed from TZ here is the link.
http://www.timezone.com/messageView.aspx?forumId=tzclassic&msgId=tzclassic000096
Also I have never made any purchase from Timebeat nor bounced any check to them.
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This information as well as a great deal more is provided at: http://pub228.ezboard.com/ftruthonmontresalliosonfrm2
Go here to learn about Montres Allison, Terry Allison, and Timebeat. Including proof that Deboy Watches the authorized seller of MA watches is really Terry Allison And Linda Allison.
Scott - black hawk, Colorado
U.S.A.
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REBUTTAL Owner of company
Submitted: 6/24/2003 6:04:25 AM Modified: 6/24/2003 9:45:32 PM
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remember scott morgan is sleeping with terrys exwife |
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what does scott morgan have to gain, he wants a piece of the company so he and terrys exwife can life like a king, so they are thinking if they cant have a piece of the action, they might as well state false facts that they cant even back up.
first scott morgan sold montres allison watches as a dealer.
second , he never paid for the watches he sold, and montes allison report him to the police for theift.
third, most of the montres alliosn watches uses eta movements, remember no watch is totally swiss, parts comes from all over the country, as long as 51 percent of the parts are swiss then it can me called swiss.
forth, what does scott morgan have to gain by this, the answer is nothing, they are sore that the court rule against terrys wife, of receiving any part of montres allison. so its time to destroy someone else life, becuase his exwMontres
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fifth, i own 7 alliosn watches a love all of them they are great pieces with great movements,
Jack - West Palm Beach, Florida
U.S.A.
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Consumer Comment
Submitted: 6/24/2003 7:16:12 AM Modified: 6/24/2003 9:47:28 PM
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My Fabulous Allison Watch |
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I am extremely excited about owning several Montres Allison watches. Not only are they beautiful in style but the highly polished movements have captured several of my friends whom also purchased Montres allison watches. I have been on several business trips and everyone marveled about the Allison watch with the Swiss eta movement or the German movement with sapphire crystal and alligator band. This unique watch at this unique price, is a fantastic value, and I recommend this watch to anyone, who wants to add this to their watch collection.
Max - Los Angeles, California
U.S.A.
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Consumer Comment
Submitted: 6/24/2003 7:36:49 AM Modified: 6/24/2003 9:50:10 PM
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I don't get it....... It seems like you're up to no good. |
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A number of companies use distribution channels under different names that they own. If you go to www.deboywatches.com website you can see that Deboy says that they are the distribution unit of Montres Allison. This means to me that they are probably under the same ownership.
So what's your point? You're acting like they are hiding something because Deboy is apparently owned by Montres Allison. That info is right out there for anybody to see on their website and probably doesn't need to be.
Who cares if a company uses another company that they own to distribute their products?
You ever go to the grocery store and look at the store brands ---- They're under different brands than the name of the store, but you know that the store owns the brand. The same goes for jewelry, etc.
GM and other companies finance their own vehicles.
Shoe stores sell their own brand under different names. Clothing stores, too.
It happens all the time. And you're trying to spin this into some scam? I am utterly amazed.
And looking at this company's watches... There's no way they could cost only $30 to manufacture. And they even give lifetime warranties to their customers. It cost me $400 to have my Rolex serviced recently. Their (Montres Allison's) customers seem to get that kind of service for free.
And then you're showing that a company that Allison owned had a bad bbb record? That's a joke. Just like on this website, anybody can say anything about a company and if you haven't paid to be a "member" then you can have your reputation damaged. All companies have upset customers. And it looks like by the dates of this stuff that this could have happened around the September 11th stuff when many businesses tanked and the economy really took a turn for the worse.
And doing some reading on the internet, it shows that Allison is known as Allison II and these documents don't show "Allison II." A quick search shows many Terry Allisons all over the globe. How can you be sure that this is this particular one?
And it looks like the company Amerideck had a different owner according to the Colo Sec of state and that news report. Who's to say that Allison didn't sell his company to somebody else? After all... He's been in the watch business quite a long time. I remember him from early watchnet and timezone days.
Oh... and those pictures of the tourbillons that you posted ..... The tourbillon carriage is in the opposite position of each other and this means that those movements must be completely different and the carriages and balances look completely different. The dials do look similar though, but you obviously don't know what your talking about or are trying to intentionally confuse people.
And a number of those watches that you list as having confirmed Chinese movements? If you look at the pictures on the web, you can easily see that those watches have ETA (Swiss made) movements. Other movements I've only seen on the MA watches, so I don't have any clue where they are from. The watches with guaranteed ETA movements are the Evolution I & II, Etalon I & II that I'm looking at on the www right now. Why are you trying to confuse people?
It seems like you're up to no good.
Robert - New York, New York
U.S.A.
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Consumer Comment
Submitted: 6/24/2003 8:19:59 AM Modified: 6/24/2003 9:53:50 PM
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I just looked at their history page........
And here is what it says
"Horologically speaking, watchmaking originated in small workshops in the Swiss mountain region of the Vallee de Joux. Ensvizzengarten, located in the high mountains near Nederland, CO, is the home of Montres Allison wristwatches. While a world away from the Swiss origin of watchmaking, Montres Allison produces some of the finest timepieces available in the world today using Montres Allison in-house movements, ETA Swiss Made movements, and ebauches and calibres from various regions and manufacturers around the world. Non-inhouse components absolutely must be manufactured to the precise standards required in Montres Allison luxury timepieces. Montres Allison is proud that it will not be limited to only one geographic region in the selection of parts, movements, and components in the manufacture of its luxury timepieces. Montres Allison utilizes the best technology and engineers in the world during the design and manufacture processes. With assembly, engineering, service and design processes being performed in New York, NY, USA; Ipsach, Switzerland; Nederland, CO, USA; Japan, Russia, Germany, China, and Hong Kong, Montres Allison is truly a global presence in the luxury wristwatch industry. Montres Allison has holdings in Movado, Louis Vuitton Moet Hennessy, DeBoy Watches (worldwide distributor), American Watch Design, and Progress Watch Corporation (Swiss tourbillon manufacturer) and is an subsidiary of Timebeat.com Enterprises, Inc. (OTCBB: TMBT). Click Here for the corporate website."
1. They show the word ensvizengarden as the home of Montres Allison watches and mention the city it is near. They don't claim that that word is a town.
2. They detail various countries and regions used in the production of their watches. That information is on their history page.
3. They mention holdings in Deboy Watches. Telling all of us who read it that the two companies are owned by the same people.
Your acting like they aren't disclosing things? But they are. Its obvious that you are trying to confuse people. Why?
Robert - New York, New York
U.S.A.
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Consumer Comment
Submitted: 6/24/2003 8:29:51 AM Modified: 6/24/2003 9:54:14 PM
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What Swiss Made means.. |
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I got this quote from this webpage: http://www.fhs.ch/english/Eswissm.htm
The page is owned by the federation of the swiss watch industry. This quote is down toward the bottom of the page. Notice how much percentage of components must be manufactured in swizterland to be called swiss made. only 50% Where do other parts come from for comapies who write swiss made on their watches?
"Moreover, a law "regulating the use of the name 'Swiss' for watches" sets out the minimum conditions that have to be fulfilled before a watch merits the "Swiss made" label.
This law is based on a concept according to which Swiss quality depends on the amount of work actually carried out on a watch in Switzerland, even if some foreign components are used in it. It therefore requires that the assembly work on the movement (the motor of the watch) and on the watch itself (fitting the movement with the dial, hands and the various parts of the case) should be carried out in Switzerland, along with the final testing of the movement. It also requires that at least 50% of the components of the movement should be manufactured in Switzerland."
I don't know how much better a Swiss assembly person could be than somebody else who does the exact same career in a different country in assembly work. I don't think they could be much better at all.
Robert - New York, New York
U.S.A.
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REBUTTAL Owner of company
Submitted: 6/24/2003 2:14:15 PM Modified: 6/24/2003 10:25:05 PM
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Response to Mr. Scott Morgan |
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The posts on this website are full of half truths as are all of the other posts made by Scott Morgan on other websites and forums.
I am the sole owner of DeBoy Watches. I have been since it’s inception in December 2001. At this time Deboy Watches is the sole distributor on Montres Allison Watches and we have a number of dealers including some retail stores.
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DeBoy Watches is located in Gilpin County Colorado and I run the business out of the lower portion of my home in an area that is dedicated solely to the business. I have named the property Ensvizzengarten. What I choose to call my property is of no concern to anyone.
DeBoy Watches is the only name that I have used to sell Montres Allison Watches. I challenge Mr. Scott Morgan to prove otherwise. That statement of his that, “Montres Allison uses several different names on ebay to sell watches, which they claim are authorized dealers.” is a blatant lie.
Elsie is another way of using my initials, L. C. I have been called that for several years by family members as a family joke. For a short period of time I did use the name “Elsie” in dealing with customers. So did Scott’s wife when she and Scott were selling Montres Allison Watches under the ebay user name “andrewashleigh”. After a week or so I found it to be too confusing and discontinued the practice. I have never tried to hide from my customers. I have always been totally accountable for all my sales and actions.
Everyone that participates in these disgusting chat rooms uses an alias. For example, Mr. Morgan has posted on several forums as Just Fletch, Nemesis, pony_girl and numerous others.
Mr. Morgan has a website that is totally dedicated to the destruction on the Montres Allison name.
We have chosen to make our auctions private to protect our satisfied customers from harassment and spam sent to them by Mr. Scott Morgan and his internet associates.
We have had many compliments from our customers. We have had 497 positive feedbacks with 455 being from unique users. We have no negative feedback. I have had several customers forward emails to me that were sent to them by Mr. Morgan under one of his aliases. I will continue to keep my feedback private to protect my customers and bidders from harassment by Mr. Morgan and his associates
Mr. Morgan’s association with me and DeBoy watches goes back over a year. He and his wife were friends of Terry Allison and wanted to become involved in the watch business. They were offered the opportunity to sell watches on the internet like every other dealer of Montres Allison Watches at that time. The deal was, you sell a watch on ebay, collect the money, pay me for the watch and I will either ship it for you as I do for other dealers, or give it to you to ship yourself. When they sold their first 2 watches on ebay they brought me a check for both watches and I gave them the watches with all the appropriate paperwork, etc. They shipped the watches to their customers and proceeded to stop payment on the check. They wanted me to hold the title on their old Blazer (with transmission problems) as collateral on a month’s supply of watches for them to sell. I declined their request. I am not a bank! Mr. Morgan was demanding that I give him a percentage of my business, which I also refused to do. Mr. Morgan was always demanding free watches for his personal use. He was given a couple, but enough was enough. When I refused to play the game according to Mr. Morgan’s rules he went ballistic. He forced his way into my home and became very destructive. He was throwing computer equipment and papers around. The police had to be called. That same day Mr. Morgan vowed to destroy Montres Allison and Terry Allison. Before fleeing from the property that day, just before the sheriff deputies arrived, Mr. Morgan told Terry’s wife that he had been cheating on her (another lie). As a result Terry’s wife left him that day. This can be verified with the Gilpin County Sheriff’s department should anyone choose to challenge me on this information.
Mr. Morgan has taken his personal vendetta to the internet. The website that he has dedicated to the destruction on Montres Allison has posts on it that are in no way related to the watch business. Some of them are lewd, and in my opinion pornographic. There have been death threats posted on that forum against me and my family. The posts were removed from the forum, but not before I was able to print them.
Mr. Morgan has no idea how much it costs to manufacture Montres Allison watches. I again challenge him to prove his allegations. Anyone can get estimates on manufacturing watches asking that the cheapest possible components be used. Mr. Morgan has no ideal what the cost to run a business is. His allegations are a simply a figment of his overactive imagination. If he were to devote as much time to his own interests as he has been devoting to destroying me, he would be a very rich man.
I run the company and challenge Mr. Morgan to prove that I am anything but totally honest.
I am tired of seeing all of the untruths posted all over the internet by Mr. Morgan.
Anyone and everyone is welcome to contact me.
Linda Allison
303-399-5445
linda@deboywatches.com
Linda - Golden, Colorado
U.S.A.
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REBUTTAL Individual responds
Submitted: 6/24/2003 6:29:32 PM Modified: 6/24/2003 10:49:05 PM
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Here is a challenge to stop this nonsense... |
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Mr. Morgan:
In a "voluntary statement" given to the Gilplin County Sheriff's office, you stated that you would pay for a polygraph test to confirm the truthfulness of your statements.
I challenge you to accept my offer of my full payment for polygraph tests for you, Blair Morgan, and Mandy Allison in regards to the criminal charges I face and harassment I have received due to your (plural) false allegations.
I will pay for a polygraph test and concurrent urinalysis (to prevent the use of any drugs that may affect the outcome of the test(s)).
In this test you will be asked questions regarding the business relationship, the bounced check your wife wrote to our company, your acts of violence, and the false allegations you (plural) have raised.
If you have nothing to hide, then you will gladly partake in this lie detector test. I will gladly pay for any and all of you. If one of you refuses to take the test, then I will still pay for the others. Any "mix-and=match" will be satisfactory. Of course, any person who refuses to take the test will have his/her integrity questioned.
I will give you one month from today's date to accept this challenge so that the world can see you for what you really are, and so they can learn the truth about your (again, plural) false allegations.
If you have forgotten your voluntary statement to Gilpin County, I will post a followup showing a scan (or a link to a scan) of your written and signed statement.
Have a successful day and best regards from,
Terry Allison II
Montres Allison
Terry - Arvada, Colorado
U.S.A.
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REBUTTAL Individual responds
Submitted: 6/24/2003 8:17:15 PM Modified: 6/24/2003 11:05:45 PM
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Useful links... |
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Here is a link to some useful pictures of documents in this case:
http://www.montresallison.net/harassment
And here is a neat link, too: http://www.montresallison.net/ensvizzengarten
Terry - Arvada, Colorado
U.S.A.
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REBUTTAL Individual responds
Submitted: 6/24/2003 8:46:39 PM Modified: 6/24/2003 11:08:54 PM
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Here is a link to the JCK Las Vegas show... |
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(in which over 30,000 companies were represented).
Our luxury timepieces were featured in front of these thousands and thousands of other companies in the watch and jewelry business.
Here is the link: http://www.montresallison.com/jck2003/
If our company was clandestine in nature, why in the heck would we showcase our beautiful timepieces amongst the likes of all of the other luxury watch manufacturers and thousands and thousands of jewelers who, upon review, could make very damaging comments if our timepieces were less than what we say?
Look at the facts. Scott Morgan, Blair Morgan, and Mandy Allison have ulterior motives. We're out here in the open representing ourselves and our products and companies. Take what they say with a grain of salt.
Have a successful day and best regards from,
Terry Allison II
Montres Allison
Terry - Arvada, Colorado
U.S.A.
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Consumer Comment
Submitted: 6/25/2003 7:45:16 AM Modified: 6/25/2003 10:15:29 PM
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I can't find any movement anywhere in all of my research that looks like this movement other than from Montres Allison. I believe it to be their exclusive movement.
http://www.watchea.com/watches/posts/957.html (There are links below it to show additional pictures of the movement and its extremely high quality and unique finishing). No other company in the world produces movements that look like these.
Montres Allison produces first rate watches and the lifetime warranties that they provide are almost unheard of in this industry.
In this picture (http://www.montresallison.com/pics/ma3sj.jpg) you can see that it is very clearly ETA 2824-2. Anybody in the business knows this.
I hope that others who read the bs posted above who have had a positive experience with these watches like I have will post additional rebuttals.
Lance - Houston, Texas
U.S.A.
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REBUTTAL Owner of company
Submitted: 6/25/2003 10:58:50 AM Modified: 6/25/2003 10:41:24 PM
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this is america the land of the free and hot apple pie |
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I DONT CARE WHO IS SLEEPING WITH WHOM, PEOPLES PRIVATE LIFES ARE PERSONAL. SCOTT MOGAN HAS THINGS MIX UP, IF YOU HATE A PERSON DONT DESTROY A COMPANY FOR IT WITH LIES AND HALF TRUTHS, YOU HAVE BLACK MAILED MANY PEOPLE, I WONT STAND FOR IT, SCOTT PURCHASE WATCHES FROM MONTRES ALLISON , SOLD THEM TO OTHER PEOPLE WHO LOVED THEM, SPEND THE MONEY ON DRUGS AND BOOZE, TERRI TOOKM HIM IN LIKE A BROTHER, WHAT DOES SCOTT DO, BLACK MAIL HIM, SO HE CAN HAVE ANOTHER FIX. SO FAR SCOTT MORGAN HAS NOT DENINED HE RECEIVED WATCHES FROM MONTRES ALLISON , HE HAS NOT DENINED HIS CHECKS BOUNCE, HE HAS NOT SHOW ANY PROFF AT ALL EXCEPT AND ARTICIAL THAT WAS PAST AROUND, AND WROTE BY A TIMEZONE.COM PERSON, AND NOT THE ARTICIAL HAS BEEN REMOVED, BECAUSE TIMEZONE .COM WAS SEND WATCHES TO EXAMINE AND THEY SAW FOR THEM SELFS IT WAS A GREAT QUALITY WATCH, SIGNING OFF .
Jack - Waet Palm Bech, Florida
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Readers, be aware Terry posts messages all over the web in different names. Suddenly, all the satisfied MA watch owners have found this rip-off report and posted messages at the same time.
Below is a link, which shows Terry Allison pretending to be some one named Ian on a watch forum called Watchpark. Terry was posting on this forum as well as another forum called animal house simultaneously, using the same expressions. When he was exposed for posting under a fake name, the entire Watchpark forum disappeared moments later.
http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/watch%20park%20debates%20go%20south%20for%20lt.htm
Below is the link to the watch forum, animal house, where Terry posted too. Read the posts made by Terry and note his reference to girls.
Warning: This is not a professional site, it is a private forum and the content may be offensive to some people. Having said that, the people here are honest and very knowledgeable watch collectors.
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=141863&messageid=1049856459
I will cover they’re lies and spins here. I have placed the rants of Terry Allison and Linda Allison here with my responses in between their comments and statements. My replies are denoted by a number and or an asterisk. I only cover the rebuts made to June 24, after that the posts are simply not worthy of my time.
Remember, Scott Morgan is sleeping with Terry’s ex-wife.
1. * Now, I’m sleeping with Terry’s ex? Sorry, I am happily married and not sleeping with Terry’s soon to be ex-wife.
What does Scott Morgan have to gain, he wants a piece of the company so he and Terry’s ex-wife can live like a king, so they are thinking if they cant have a piece of the action, they might as well state false facts that they can’t even back up.
2. * Terry claims he doesn’t have any official assets in MA, how does he live like a king? And, how would I live like a king?
First, Scott Morgan sold Montres Allison watches as a dealer.
3. * Before I knew anything about watches or how much Terry was ripping people off, I tried to sell Montres Allison watches. I was a friend of Terry’s and had no reason to doubt the things he told me. He offered to let us make money selling his watches in return for work we did for his company. But Terry Allison was so flaky, he couldn’t make up his mind what he wanted to do. He hijacked the first auctions from me when we used the name Watchea, which Terry gave us permission to use. This has all been explained on the Allison truth forum for people who want the truth.
http://pub228.ezboard.com/ftruthonmontresalliosonfrm2
Second, he never paid for the watches he sold, and Montes Allison reported him to the police for theft.
4. * Payment to Linda and Terry for 2 or 3 watches was stopped, because Terry and Linda had a nasty habit of flaking out and hijacking auctions and told us they would not honor the deal we had in place with them during our final auctions. I have never heard of any police report or charge of theft regarding this issue. We lost a great deal of money working with these crooks. Why would they let us continue to sell watches well after we stopped a check to them? There was plenty of time between the two sets of auctions for them to stop us or resolve that issue. The answer is that the issue was indeed resolved.
* In fact, the state of Colorado does not think Linda Allison is trustworthy enough to work with money in any capacity for the local casinos. She lost her gaming license working as an accountant before becoming a watch guru. This info is at:
http://pub228.ezboard.com/ftruthonmontresalliosonfrm2
Third, most of the Montres Allison watches uses ETA movements, remember no watch is totally Swiss, parts come from all over the country, as long as 51 percent of the parts are Swiss, then it can me called Swiss.
5. * NONE of the FIRST MA WATCHES have ETA movements. And China produces some nice fakes of ETAs, so until it is verified they are indeed ETA, the point is irrelevant regarding the newer models. The watches Terry tried to bribe people with on a watch forum have alleged ETA in them, but several of these knowledgeable watch people think they may be fake. Go ask for yourself just follow use the URL below.
* Warning: This is not a professional site, it is a private forum and the content may be offensive to some people. Having said that, the people here are honest and very knowledgeable watch collectors.
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/141863
Fourth, what does Scott Morgan have to gain by this, the answer is nothing. They are sore that the court rule against Terry’s wife of receiving any part of Montres Allison,. so it’s time to destroy someone else’s life, because his ex-wife is not happy.
Fifth, I own 7 Allison watches and love all of them. They are great pieces with great movements.
6. * Exactly, I have nothing to gain from exposing this scam. Nothing but the satisfaction of preventing these people from ripping of as many people as they can. Also, there has been no ruling for Mandy Allison to receive or not receive anything from Terry or Montres Allison. The divorce has not been finalized yet. I suggest checking your facts first or least report them correctly. I would love to see your receipts for all 7 watches, why don’t you make them available for us?
My Fabulous Allison Watch
Rebuttal Entered: 6/24/2003 Modified: 6/24/2003
I am extremely excited about owning several Montres Allison watches. Not only are they beautiful in style but the highly polished movements have captured several of my friends whom also purchased Montres allison watches. I have been on several business trips and everyone marveled about the Allison watch with the Swiss eta movement or the German movement with sapphire crystal and alligator band. This unique watch at this unique price, is a fantastic value, and I recommend this watch to anyone, who wants to add this to their watch collection.
7. * What is the German Movement? No other watchmaker, especially in the high-end market, such as MA claims to be a part of, have such a problem telling people what the movements are. They claim it is proprietary and cannot give out that info. The only reason they finally admit to allegedly using ETA besides they hadn’t until now, is that ETA doesn’t allow private label watches to claim an ETA is anything but an ETA.
I don't get it....... It seems like you're up to no good.
8. * I don’t get it either. “You’re up to no good, You’re a trouble maker” these are the exact same statements used by Terry all over the internet pretending to be other people.
A number of companies use distribution channels under different names that they own. If you go to www.deboywatches.com website you can see that Deboy says that they are the distribution unit of Montres Allison. This means to me that they are probably under the same ownership.
So what's your point? You're acting like they are hiding something because Deboy is apparently owned by Montres Allison. That info is right out there for anybody to see on their website and probably doesn't need to be.
Who cares if a company uses another company that they own to distribute their products?
You ever go to the grocery store and look at the store brands ---- They're under different brands than the name of the store, but you know that the store owns the brand. The same goes for jewelry, etc.
GM and other companies finance their own vehicles.
Shoe stores sell their own brand under different names. Clothing stores, too.
It happens all the time. And you're trying to spin this into some scam? I am utterly amazed.
9. * So, the look of Deboy Watches has recently changed and added they are a distributor for MA. So what! This is all new, I have the website saved where this is not indicated. Terry changes his websites constantly adding and removing information as his scam is exposed. In fact, they were forced to put that there, because of the post on the Allison forum, which proved Terry and Linda are Deboy Watches. Montres Allison doesn’t say Deboy Watches is a distribution channel, it says they are an authorized dealer next to several other authorized dealers. This is misleading and Terry L. Allison II personally told me why, “So we look larger and well-established”.
http://pub228.ezboard.com/ftruthonmontresalliosonfrm2
And looking at this company's watches... There's no way they could cost only $30 to manufacture. And they even give lifetime warranties to their customers. It cost me $400 to have my Rolex serviced recently. Their (Montres Allison's) customers seem to get that kind of service for free.
10. * Point in fact, many MA watches did cost within 30-35 dollars to make, two examples are the Jour et Nuit and the Jitana, which is the same movement with a different dial. Of course, these are the first MA watches made, which have been discontinued by MA. Why does a company introduce several new watches and discontinue them less than a year later? Below is a link to the price list from Million Smart, the company in Hong Kong where they get the watches made. It makes no difference what theyre newest watches cost, the report was done showing theyre older China movement watches. Anyone can get this and more from Million Smart.
http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/Millionsmartpricelist.doc
* Below are some corresponding model numbers from Million Smart.
* Ma’s Jour et nuit is model: MS22001G Automatic flying tourbillon series
Price: US$31.00 FOB H.K. depending on quantity.
* MA’s Master Calendar/Etalon Master is model: R13 cost is 30-40 dollars.
* If you don’t want to appear foolish then do your homework.
* If Terry wants to claim Million Smart is making counterfeit MA watches, then let’s go together to the U.S. Customs Dept and the FTC and file a complaint. I’m sure we can get them in some trouble and at least slow the tide of your alleged counterfeit MA watches flowing so freely into the country.
* Rolex is costly to have maintenance done on them, because they are actually valuable watches and the service done to them is very high quality. Montres Allison watches, on the other hand, can have two lifetime warranties, because they are so cheap to make. It is cheaper to replace an entire movement or watch, than to repair it. This is why Terry stopped taking his watches to this repair shop in Arvada, Colorado. I went with him to this shop and he had at least 30 MA watches in a large zip lock bag, which needed repair. Later, Terry told me his partner Tony Pham from Million Smart said to just send them back to him he would replace them.
* Precion Watch, Clock & Jewelry, Inc.
8770 Wadsworth, #D
Arvada, Co 80003
303-421-9609
* Don’t bother threatening this shop with law suits, I already have the proof Terry took his watches there.
And then you're showing that a company that Allison owned had a bad BBB record? That's a joke. Just like on this website, anybody can say anything about a company and if you haven't paid to be a "member" then you can have your reputation damaged. All companies have upset customers. And it looks like by the dates of this stuff that this could have happened around the September 11th stuff when many businesses tanked and the economy really took a turn for the worse.
11. * If you don’t want to believe the BBB, then try the reporters who covered the story. If it was economy related, I’m sure Terry and Travis would have indicated that to the press. The links are on the beginning of the report. Or perhaps we should contact the victims of that scam and see if they buy your spin. Go watch the The Factor, “NO spin Zone here.”
And doing some reading on the internet, it shows that Allison is known as Allison II and these documents don't show "Allison II." A quick search shows many Terry Allisons all over the globe. How can you be sure that this is this particular one?
And it looks like the company Amerideck had a different owner according to the Colo Sec of state and that news report. Who's to say that Allison didn't sell his company to somebody else? After all... He's been in the watch business quite a long time. I remember him from early watchnet and timezone days.
12. * Terry Allison, Terry Allison II, Terry L. Allison II, what’s the difference? He can pretend to be high class all he wants to. It’s all the same person. The fact that Terry is here spinning his web of lies would indicate we have the correct Terry. Are you really this slow?
Oh... and those pictures of the tourbillons that you posted ..... The tourbillon carriage is in the opposite position of each other and this means that those movements must be completely different and the carriages and balances look completely different. The dials do look similar though, but you obviously don't know what you’re talking about or are trying to intentionally confuse people.
And a number of those watches that you list as having confirmed Chinese movements? If you look at the pictures on the web, you can easily see that those watches have ETA (Swiss made) movements. Other movements I've only seen on the MA watches, so I don't have any clue where they are from. The watches with guaranteed ETA movements are the Evolution I & II, Etalon I & II that I'm looking at on the www right now. Why are you trying to confuse people?
It seems like you're up to no good.
13. * Terry had both pictures of that tourbillon with the carriage on either side of the watch on the MA website. Did he take the one off so you could make this ridiculous argument that they aren’t the same watch? Try to keep up, I was there when these “$100,000” beauties came in?
* This will make you feel better, a link below to show Terry’s website when it had both styles of tourbillon pictured. Select tourbillon from the drop down menu. They are the toubillon and toubillon II.
http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/All%20MA%20watches_files/showcasemainxxx.htm
* The new MA tourbillon is the same thing with different dials, so what? It doesn’t trick anyone.
more info on montresallison's website.......
I just looked at their history page........
And here is what it says
"Horologically speaking, watchmaking originated in small workshops in the Swiss mountain region of the Vallee de Joux. Ensvizzengarten, located in the high mountains near Nederland, CO, is the home of Montres Allison wristwatches. While a world away from the Swiss origin of watchmaking, Montres Allison produces some of the finest timepieces available in the world today using Montres Allison in-house movements, ETA Swiss Made movements, and ebauches and calibres from various regions and manufacturers around the world. Non-inhouse components absolutely must be manufactured to the precise standards required in Montres Allison luxury timepieces. Montres Allison is proud that it will not be limited to only one geographic region in the selection of parts, movements, and components in the manufacture of its luxury timepieces. Montres Allison utilizes the best technology and engineers in the world during the design and manufacture processes. With assembly, engineering, service and design processes being performed in New York, NY, USA; Ipsach, Switzerland; Nederland, CO, USA; Japan, Russia, Germany, China, and Hong Kong, Montres Allison is truly a global presence in the luxury wristwatch industry. Montres Allison has holdings in Movado, Louis Vuitton Moet Hennessy, DeBoy Watches (worldwide distributor), American Watch Design, and Progress Watch Corporation (Swiss tourbillon manufacturer) and is an subsidiary of Timebeat.com Enterprises, Inc. (OTCBB: TMBT). Click Here for the corporate website."
1. They show the word ensvizengarden as the home of Montres Allison watches and mention the city it is near. They don't claim that that word is a town.
2. They detail various countries and regions used in the production of their watches. That information is on their history page.
3. They mention holdings in Deboy Watches. Telling all of us who read it that the two companies are owned by the same people.
Your acting like they aren't disclosing things? But they are. Its obvious that you are trying to confuse people. Why?
14. * A great deal of the MA history pg was taken from a legitimate watchmaker site, RGM watches. http://www.rgmwatches.com/. I have a laughable flier Terry made and was going to send to potential dealers, which steals a lot of quotes from RGM. This same info was all over MA’s website, but they have been cutting back on the plagiarism.
What Swiss Made means..
Rebuttal Entered: 6/24/2003 Modified: 6/24/2003
I got this quote from this webpage: http://www.fhs.ch/english/Eswissm.htm
The page is owned by the federation of the swiss watch industry. This quote is down toward the bottom of the page. Notice how much percentage of components must be manufactured in swizterland to be called swiss made. only 50% Where do other parts come from for comapies who write swiss made on their watches?
"Moreover, a law "regulating the use of the name 'Swiss' for watches" sets out the minimum conditions that have to be fulfilled before a watch merits the "Swiss made" label.
This law is based on a concept according to which Swiss quality depends on the amount of work actually carried out on a watch in Switzerland, even if some foreign components are used in it. It therefore requires that the assembly work on the movement (the motor of the watch) and on the watch itself (fitting the movement with the dial, hands and the various parts of the case) should be carried out in Switzerland, along with the final testing of the movement. It also requires that at least 50% of the components of the movement should be manufactured in Switzerland."
I don't know how much better a Swiss assembly person could be than somebody else who does the exact same career in a different country in assembly work. I don't think they could be much better at all.
15. * What Swiss means? What is your point? Are you admitting that skilled workers from Hong Kong are assembling MA watches? I never said anything about Swiss watches, although, MA is in violation of import laws by not marking the country of origin on their watches. Unfortunately, this is not of high concern to Customs right now, but that could change.
Response to Mr. Scott Morgan
The posts on this website are full of half truths as are all of the other posts made by Scott Morgan on other websites and forums.
I am the sole owner of DeBoy Watches. I have been since it’s inception in December 2001. At this time Deboy Watches is the sole distributor on Montres Allison Watches and we have a number of dealers including some retail stores.
DeBoy Watches is located in Gilpin County Colorado and I run the business out of the lower portion of my home in an area that is dedicated solely to the business. I have named the property Ensvizzengarten. What I choose to call my property is of no concern to anyone.
16. * We already know Terry and Linda own Deboy Watches, they were forced to come clean already. After this information was posted on the Allison forum.
http://pub228.ezboard.com/ftruthonmontresalliosonfrm2
17. * Please tell us the name of your retail outlets, or do they need protection from the world too? I have never ever heard of any company in sales, which doesn’t ever, ever want their retail outlets known.
DeBoy Watches is the only name that I have used to sell Montres Allison Watches. I challenge Mr. Scott Morgan to prove otherwise. That statement of his that, “Montres Allison uses several different names on ebay to sell watches, which they claim are authorized dealers.” is a blatant lie.
18. * Ok, here you go. I’m sure they will tell us all that it wasn’t them, but maybe family or friends that used these names. It makes no difference whether they personally sold under these or they just set up family and friends to sell, the cause and effect is the same.
* Deboy Watches: Linda now forced to admit to using this name. It was recommended by Terry and Linda to me to use fake names when dealing with customers. Terry has several.
* Watchea: Also the name of a watch forum Terry operates. Try posting anything truthful about MA watches there. Also, Terry set us up to use this account on ebay than stole it back during our auctions which included non MA items.
* Below is a link showing ownership of Watchea. Cameron Garcia is a friend of Terry and occasional business associate. There is more than this old filing showing more current ownership of Watchea. With the Name Allison on it.
http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/Search%20Network%20Solutions%20whois%20records%20in%20the%20whois%20section%20of%20netsol_com.htm
* Wolgram Watches: Linda’s maiden name and the seller is in the area where her brother lives.
*Viking watches: This was actually Travis Slaathaugs/Terry’s. Travis is Terry’s good friend and fellow scam artist from the deck company. He lives in South Dakota as his website below indicates.
http://www.slaathauggolf.com/
* Below is a link to a receipt for Viking watches signed by Travis, and an address in SD.
http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/Viking%20watches.jpg
* Also, Travis has been linked to a website which offers alleged MA fakes. This information has been posted at the Allison forum as well. I would wager no one could tell the difference between these replica movements and their MA counterparts. Terry, of course, knows this, but does nothing to shut down yet another source of “counterfeits.” Check out the link below.
http://www.allisonreplicas.com/
* WatchesCentral, formerly Normanorman: I suspect this was Terry as well.
* I’m sure there were more than this because, Terry told me he used several seller names. How many “distribution channels” does this little company need?
Elsie is another way of using my initials, L. C. I have been called that for several years by family members as a family joke. For a short period of time I did use the name “Elsie” in dealing with customers. So did Scott’s wife when she and Scott were selling Montres Allison Watches under the ebay user name “andrewashleigh”. After a week or so I found it to be too confusing and discontinued the practice. I have never tried to hide from my customers. I have always been totally accountable for all my sales and actions.
19. * That’s great that Linda’s family calls her Elsie, how would the customers who talked to Elsie know that? She may have stopped using that alias, but only after I posted it on several web sites. I’m sure we will find many people who have mail from Linda/Elsie covering much more than 1 week. I personally have several emails from her covering more than several weeks. Linda and Terry suggested we use alternate names as well which we found to be odd, but they claimed we would be harassed if we didn’t. We used our real names when dealing with all our customers who received free MA watches.
* Why don’t they explain away the aliases Terry uses, Jim, Walt, Bob, etc? Is it standard business practice to use fake names when giving out your info to other businesses? Terry once told me he gave the Dupont Registry a fake name so he could get out of his deal with them if he wanted to. I called the Dupont Registry and informed them they might have the incorrect information on the person who signed up for the MA advertising. This was confirmed by them, Terry did give them an incorrect name.
Everyone that participates in these disgusting chat rooms uses an alias. For example, Mr. Morgan has posted on several forums as Just Fletch, Nemesis, pony_girl and numerous others.
20. * Linda should learn the difference between an internet handle for chat rooms and faking out your customers. By the way, Nemesis was the name Terry is suspected to use while threatening himself on a bulletin board. Why are the chat rooms disgusting? Because they expose Linda and her boy for what they are?
Mr. Morgan has a website that is totally dedicated to the destruction on the Montres Allison name.
21. * Yes, I have a web site which will tell all about this scam, so what is your point? It isn’t even up yet, and you wouldn’t know that unless you were trolling around the truth on Allison forum. And since you are there, why don’t you dispel all these lies? Terry himself owns several anti MA web domains. Here is one of them: http://www.montres-allison-scam.com/
We have chosen to make our auctions private to protect our satisfied customers from harassment and spam sent to them by Mr. Scott Morgan and his internet associates.
We have had many compliments from our customers. We have had 497 positive feedbacks with 455 being from unique users. We have no negative feedback. I have had several customers forward emails to me that were sent to them by Mr. Morgan under one of his aliases. I will continue to keep my feedback private to protect my customers and bidders from harassment by Mr. Morgan and his associates
22. * If MA offered a descent product at a reasonable price they wouldn’t have to hide their customers from anyone. Their auctions were private long before my arrival on the scene and so were the other people telling the truth out there. From what I hear, no one has ever complained about being contacted and given the opportunity to get to the truth.
* Linda/Terry have had negative feedback they simply get it removed, while using another seller name. I know of people who have left negative feedback. They ship their product on time, good for them, it doesn’t take much more than that for good feedback on ebay. What is there to protect thy’re customers from, the truth?
Mr. Morgan’s association with me and DeBoy watches goes back over a year. He and his wife were friends of Terry Allison and wanted to become involved in the watch business. They were offered the opportunity to sell watches on the internet like every other dealer of Montres Allison Watches at that time. The deal was, you sell a watch on ebay, collect the money, pay me for the watch and I will either ship it for you as I do for other dealers, or give it to you to ship yourself. When they sold their first 2 watches on ebay they brought me a check for both watches and I gave them the watches with all the appropriate paperwork, etc. They shipped the watches to their customers and proceeded to stop payment on the check. They wanted me to hold the title on their old Blazer (with transmission problems) as collateral on a month’s supply of watches for them to sell. I declined their request. I am not a bank! Mr. Morgan was demanding that I give him a percentage of my business, which I also refused to do. Mr. Morgan was always demanding free watches for his personal use. He was given a couple, but enough was enough. When I refused to play the game according to Mr. Morgan’s rules he went ballistic. He forced his way into my home and became very destructive. He was throwing computer equipment and papers around. The police had to be called. That same day Mr. Morgan vowed to destroy Montres Allison and Terry Allison. Before fleeing from the property that day, just before the sheriff deputies arrived, Mr. Morgan told Terry’s wife that he had been cheating on her (another lie). As a result Terry’s wife left him that day. This can be verified with the Gilpin County Sheriff’s department should anyone choose to challenge me on this information.
23. * This check was stopped because Terry high-jacked our auctions the first time, then Linda and Terry indicated they would not honor their deal with us to supply the watches on the final auctions. We were using an account called Watchea, which Terry and Linda had used before and gave us to use. They had control over the ebay account and went in stopped the auctions and changed the passwords. We stopped payment to try and cover our losses. As usual, Linda’s/Terry’s spin on the facts are scewed. This was the deal: We run our auctions, after the auction they would give us the watches we would ship them and we would split the money when we got it. After we parted ways, by Terry’s design, they decided they would not ship the watches until after they were paid in advance for the watches. Because of the collective flakiness in the past arrangements, we had no way to know if Linda/Terry would even send the watches after payment. We bent over backwards to come to an agreement with them to get our customers their watches. They would not function. Because of their refusal to hold up their end of the deal, I sent all the auction winners 2 or 3 free MA watches, which were given to me by Terry for modeling and promotional use. Of course, I have that in an email sent to me by Terry himself. We even paid the shipping for all those free watches. I also have the contract Terry made offering a percentage of Montres Allison to me in exchange for certain work to be done for them. How did I manage to demand and get 20 watches from them?
* There was an incident in which Terry and me had an argument and Terry called the police. Terry often attempts to manipulate the police or other legal agencies. This was coincidentally on the day I was to meet with Terry and Linda to discuss part ownership of the company. I have Terry on tape admitting this as well. We had done a lot of work for free to help Terry and Linda out and when we refused to give them any more free work or the contact information of several celebrities we had, Terry chose to end the relationship. I didn’t have to force my way into anything, since I was invited in by Terry, prior to the argument. Terry made many claims that I tried to attack him, destroyed the house, and tried to steal $500,000 dollars worth of watches all this at the same time. When the Sheriff asked to go in and look at the total destruction of the house, Terry, of course, refused to let him in. Since Linda was there for none of this, I think anyone can challenge her on this. The police left without giving me so much as a ticket. And finally, Terry’s wife did not leave him that day, he threw her and the children out. Somehow, it is my fault Terry cheated on his wife? I have Terry L. Allison on tape admitting to kicking his family out, as well as changing the bank account information so his wife could not access any of it. His kids were practically naked, hungry and homeless. If Terry paid any attention in his domestic violence counseling classes he would know that keeping complete control over all money and using it to control another’s behavior is deemed financial abuse.
* I for one think it is commendable that Terry and Linda have come forward to tell the truth, especially since they know I already put all this information out there and they have no choice.
http://pub228.ezboard.com/ftruthonmontresalliosonfrm2
Mr. Morgan has taken his personal vendetta to the internet. The website that he has dedicated to the destruction on Montres Allison has posts on it that are in no way related to the watch business. Some of them are lewd, and in my opinion pornographic. There have been death threats posted on that forum against me and my family. The posts were removed from the forum, but not before I was able to print them.
24. *Yes, I have them printed out as well. If it scares Linda, I recommend she tell Terry to stop posting them. My posts are related to exposing the watch scam, any other scam Linda or Terry may be or have been involved in, and exposing the general character of them all. This way people can decide if they wish to buy from them or not.
Mr. Morgan has no idea how much it costs to manufacture Montres Allison watches. I again challenge him to prove his allegations. Anyone can get estimates on manufacturing watches asking that the cheapest possible components be used. Mr. Morgan has no ideal what the cost to run a business is. His allegations are a simply a figment of his overactive imagination. If he were to devote as much time to his own interests as he has been devoting to destroying me, he would be a very rich man.
25. *You’re right all I have are quotes from your supplier to make me the exact same watches. And emails from Million Smart claiming they make all Montres Allison watches. Million Smart doesn’t even charge for the making of custom dials if you order 100 or more watches.
*Below is a link to an email sent to me from Million Smart where we discuss my obtaining the one of two exact same movements Terry had listed on his site as coming soon. Of course, this movement is not on there now.
http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/Mail%20from%20millionsmart-makes%20all%20ma%20watches.htm
* The above message also contains comments from the Million Smart representative indicating all the work they do for Allison. This is one of several emails between us where MA is discussed. I have edited out my email address to prevent Terry and his cronies from sending harassing emails. The actual message shows all it needs to in case it is ever required.
* Below is a link to a pic of both movements I could have obtained. (How would Terry have claimed they were imitations then?)
http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/bothexclusivemvmnts.jpg
*Below is the MA website with all watches represented. To see the same movements offered me, just select the Travelor dumonde and the Grande Calendiere from his drop down menu. It appears that watches which haven’t been made yet are discontinued.
* The drop down menu at bottom of pg may be hard to spot in Netscape.
http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/All%20MA%20watches_files/showcasemainxxx.htm
26. * Linda, runs the company, but does she know what it costs to make her watches? Does she know where her watches are made?
I run the company and challenge Mr. Morgan to prove that I am anything but totally honest.
I am tired of seeing all of the untruths posted all over the internet by Mr. Morgan.
Anyone and everyone is welcome to contact me.
Linda Allison
303-399-5445
linda@deboywatches.com
Here is a challenge to stop this nonsense...
Mr. Morgan:
In a "voluntary statement" given to the Gilplin County Sheriff's office, you stated that you would pay for a polygraph test to confirm the truthfulness of your statements.
I challenge you to accept my offer of my full payment for polygraph tests for you, Blair Morgan, and Mandy Allison in regards to the criminal charges I face and harassment I have received due to your (plural) false allegations.
I will pay for a polygraph test and concurrent urinalysis (to prevent the use of any drugs that may affect the outcome of the test(s)).
In this test you will be asked questions regarding the business relationship, the bounced check your wife wrote to our company, your acts of violence, and the false allegations you (plural) have raised.
If you have nothing to hide, then you will gladly partake in this lie detector test. I will gladly pay for any and all of you. If one of you refuses to take the test, then I will still pay for the others. Any "mix-and=match" will be satisfactory. Of course, any person who refuses to take the test will have his/her integrity questioned.
I will give you one month from today's date to accept this challenge so that the world can see you for what you really are, and so they can learn the truth about your (again, plural) false allegations.
If you have forgotten your voluntary statement to Gilpin County, I will post a followup showing a scan (or a link to a scan) of your written and signed statement.
Have a successful day and best regards from,
Terry Allison II
Montres Allison
27. * No problem! I will expect Terry Allison to join us in our lie detecting. I will put my word up against his any day of the week. If any law enforcement agency asks for a test, I will gladly do so. Terry can clear up everything about his watches, Deck Stars, abusing his wife and kids, stalking his soon to be ex, as well as my family.
* Here are just some of the questions I expect Terry to be able to answer:
* 1. Have your watches ever been made in Hong Kong by Million Smart?
* 2. Have your watches ever been made with China movements?
* 3. Have any of your watches cost 30 to 50 dollars to make.
* 4. Have you ever made counterfeit money?
* 5. Have you ever sold phony tax payer identification numbers in a scam claiming to clear up peoples’ credit?
* 6. Did you rip any one off with your deck company, regardless of what name it operated under at any given time?
* 7. Did you have sexual intercourse with your current wife when she was 14 or 15 years old and you were in your twenties committing statutory rape?
* 8. Did you have a business deal with Scott Morgan in which you decided not to honor your part?
* 9. Do you run several websites and post messages about your watches with more than five names?
* 10. Did you ever sell counterfeit watches like Rolex or Tag under a company name of Rocky Mountain Replicas?
If it’s good enough for me, then it should be good enough for him. As he said, anyone who refuses has an integrity problem. Terry likes to give terms and deadlines for challenges, but he has never met any challenge given to him by other people on watch forums. Let’s be sure to include Linda and Terry’s former business associates like Travis Slaathaug.
* Also, Terry should make up his mind, did we bounce a check or stop payment on it? There is only one check out there, so it can’t be both.
Useful links...
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Here is a link to some useful pictures of documents in this case:
http://www.montresallison.net/harassment
And here is a neat link, too: http://www.montresallison.net/ensvizzengarten
28. * Terry Allison tried to manufacture enough evidence to support a restraining order on me. There was already an order in place keeping him away from my house. I’m guessing this was simply a ploy to impeach testimony I might be needed to give in his upcoming stalking case. Terry pestered the police, calling them several times a day because he was so worried about his safety. When it came time to appear in court to justify this action, Terry was a no-show. He didn’t even send legal representation in his absence. The case was thrown out by the judge.
Here is a link to the JCK Las Vegas show...
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(in which over 30,000 companies were represented).
Our luxury timepieces were featured in front of these thousands and thousands of other companies in the watch and jewelry business.
Here is the link: http://www.montresallison.com/jck2003/
If our company was clandestine in nature, why in the heck would we showcase our beautiful timepieces amongst the likes of all of the other luxury watch manufacturers and thousands and thousands of jewelers who, upon review, could make very damaging comments if our timepieces were less than what we say?
Look at the facts. Scott Morgan, Blair Morgan, and Mandy Allison have ulterior motives. We're out here in the open representing ourselves and our products and companies. Take what they say with a grain of salt.
Have a successful day and best regards from,
Terry Allison II
Montres Allison
29. * Anyone with some jewelry and the fee to have a booth can do this show. I saw the pics posted on MA’s site for this event. I noticed none of the first watches made the trip. Why didn’t MA show their original works at the show, not even just for nostalgia and pride for the workmanship of they’re first watches? Why wouldn’t a watch seller want to show off all their timepieces, especially ones that allegedly retail for 20,000 dollars? Terry and Linda try so hard to convince others of my business ignorance, but it seems to me that if I can sell even one 20 thousand dollar watch from this show, it would be worth placing one in my case for potential buyers. The same concept would apply to they’re 10 thousand and 5 thousand dollar models. Oh, I forgot they are discontinued, even though you can still get them through authorized dealers such as Deboy or Timebeat.
* Why weren’t the following models represented? Some of them just came out this year, some not mentioned below haven’t even come out yet. We’re here because MA used the watches below to rip off enough people so they could eventually try to make real watches.
1. * Jour et Nuit 2. Slaathaug master calendiere 3. Jitana 4. Master Calendar “now named Master Calendar/Etalon Master because Franck Muller lawyers sent a threatening letter to MA” 5. Couer De Temps 6. Etalon 7. Reserve De Marche 8. Tourbillon 9. Ciclone 10. Energie 11. Uragano 12. Tourbo Billion 13. 14. Evolution.
* The professionals at this event would have laughed Terry/Linda/Timbeat’s Franck Muller rip off right out the front doors. Our motives are quite obvious. We hide nothing about our motives to stop they’re scam. Note that at no time has Terry or Linda using there actual names accused me of lying specifically about the watch models I mentioned on pg 1 being cheap China made.
* See you at the lie detecting!
*For the readers: I forget this site does not transform URL's into links automatically, so when I mention links for you to click on simply copy the URL I provide and paste it into you’re browser.
Scott - black hawk, Colorado
U.S.A.
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Consumer Comment
Submitted: 7/1/2003 1:06:17 PM Modified: 7/2/2003 12:03:27 AM
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I have bought 4 Montres Allison watches and have the Amex bills to prove it. I love them. I get more comments on them than any other watch I own. I own over 20 high end watches. I have taken two of them apart to look at them. I am very happy with the quality of the movement. I dont really care where they are assembled. They are nice affordable wayches with a great amount of style. If you don't like them, then don't buy them. Leave the rest of use alone. Scott, you are not the guardian of watch collectors, I don't care about all your crap. I like my watches, two of my friends like their watches. If it is a scam tahn we will find out soon enough. My suggestion to you is get a hobby or a life maybe and let the world decised if Allison watches will be around for years or not. I erge anyone considering buying a Montres Allison to do so. You cant buy a nice timex for what you can get a really nice Allison for. You will be happy with the watch, you will get many complents on it. I am looking forward to the new models as I will be buying some of them.
Jeffrey - Greensboro, North Carolina
U.S.A.
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Submitted: 7/2/2003 5:20:21 AM Modified: 7/2/2003 11:05:48 PM
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Look here to tell that Morgan is lying..... |
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He was challenged to do a lie detector test and acted like he will at the end of his last message but if you read the message he states that he will only do a lie detector if law enforcement makes him do it. That isn't the same as taking a private lie detector test to prove what you are saying is true and I don't think law enforcement can force anybody to take a lie detector test.
And what happened to Morgan's websites? It takes a lot to get an ISP to kick you off the internet. Looks like they believe he is harassing these Montres Allison people.
Morgan looks like a scam artist after reading through how he bounced that check by putting stop pay on it and then tried to con Montres Allison into giving them more and more watches on their signature. What a good laugh. I think I'm gonna pee. We'll bounce a check to you, but give us more and more free stuff!!!
Lance - Houston, Texas
U.S.A.
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Submitted: 7/4/2003 4:26:48 AM Modified: 7/4/2003 10:43:39 PM
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this company is an obvious scam, and that anyone with a six-year-old's intelligence could see right through it |
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I agree that this company is an obvious scam, and that anyone with a six-year-old's intelligence could see right through it. I personally don't think action is even needed and that 99% of the people won't even consider one of these watches, even if they do even a modicum of research. Here are some reasons why (note that much of it is my opinion, but I think many share my views)
- These watches all look the same. Sure there are some varieties, but it's quite clear by the generic, sterile look of all these cases that they all come from the same machine somewhere.
- They lack any element of a human touch. Even the human-designed dials look cold and artificial... the hallmark of mass production
- They are simply NOT attractive timepieces, being completely devoid of any warmth. Possibly their only saving grace is that they are big and "Mueller-esqe"
- Watches with the exact same or similar design are sold as new (not replica) in hundreds of places on the web. If the brand had any cachet whatsoever, they would try to copy the brand.
- They are highly derided by the horological community. The company is a joke to those who know the industry the best
- The marketing materials for these watches is frightening to say the least. No professional marketing department would allow this copy, which reads like it was written by college students. It is simply TOO glowing and sugary and leaves me with an uneasy feeling. Comapre the MA marketing copy with that of ANY other watch manufacturer and the differences are obvious.
- The online reviews for the watch read much the same although they are purportedly written by different people. I have yet to see a serious and unbiased review for a Montres Allison watch
- One of the online dealers of Montres Allison claimes to sell other brands of fine watches, such as Brietling and Omega. However, the asking prices are several hundreds or thousands of dollars higher than the manufacturer's list, with no apparent reason behind it. Attempts to by anything but an MA watch will return an "out of stock" message
- All of the online touts for MA on various forums and newsgroups (including this one) invariably end in bizzare screaming matches, laced with insults, profanity, and illogical rants. Any reasonable company would be horrified to identify with clientele of this type, and would do everything in their power to distance themselves from people of such ilk.
- Very few fine watch manufacturers would allow their corporate officers to duke it out on Internet chat forums... they pay attorneys to do that in court. To take any other action simply confirms that there is something inherently strange and foul about the company and it's practices.
Put simply, the evidence against Montres Allison is clear, obvious, and easily referenced with only a small amount of searching. On the other hand, almost ALL of the evidence in defense of the company is frequently illogical, shrouded in controversy, or simply not convincing. While it's very true for the company to say that it's under attack and none of the claims can be proven, they miss the point... that the burden of proof lies with them. The public votes with their wallets and pocketbooks, and as such I predict a quick end to this venture. Hopefully information like what has already been posted with help the uninformed to stay far away from this company until that time, as only the truly dim will see this company as a "fine watchmaker"
Osbourne - Sacramento, California
U.S.A.
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Submitted: 7/4/2003 9:26:08 AM Modified: 7/4/2003 11:28:01 PM
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It seems Terry insists on putting up messages with different names just to prove my claim, posting with the same exact speech patterns all over the place and posting messages with information only Terry would know about. The rebuttal made by Terry/Lance contains inaccurate information only Terry would know about at this time. Here is again the truth.
1. I have said in my post above that I will take a lie detector test for ANY law enforcement agency that asks. Law enforcement can't force anyone to take a lie detector test, they do, however, ask people to take them in order to get a handle on whether a suspect or witness is telling the truth. Terry is under investigation for many things, which he himself has acknowledged on this site. I should think it is up to him to clear his own name. I will take an independent test any time along WITH Terry. Take the time to fully read and comprehend what I have said in my posts.
2. My ISP has never kicked me off of anything, I am using my internet provider right now. I own a domain name of americanwatchdesign.com, which was hosted on HyperMart. I created and used this name for the purposes of dealing with Terry's watch manufacturer Million Smart. Terry finally caught on and rushed to trademark the name. I filed trademark after that since I spent a couple of hours creating the logo and didn't feel like giving it to Terry so easily. Terry recently threatened to sue HyperMart, claiming I was using his trademarked name, American Watch Design, even though he has been given no trademark. HyperMart chose to close my account, which is of little concern to me, since it only hosted one pg which pointed people to the Allison forum. This pg was only known by a handful of people. It has been 2 days since this occurred and it takes a day for a rebuttal to show up here on ripoffreport. So, one day after Terry conned Hypermart to close my account, Lance from Texas knows all about it. That is amazing, Lance! I am sure after a review has been done by HyperMart, they will come to see they have been used and will reinstate my account. Personally I don't need it and don't care if it is reinstated. It served it's purpose long ago.
The Allison forum website I have pointed people to on this site to obtain facts about Terry/Linda/MA/TimeBeat has also recently been closed.
http://pub228.ezboard.com/btruthonmontresallioson.lockedDown
This site was in no way owned or operated by me, it was another good Samaritan who started and managed the site. This site was offered for free by a company called ezboard. Anyone can open a chat site there. Because this company offers free chat rooms every one has to abide by they're rules. The forum was closed because of a rule, which does not allow a forum to post personal information about other people. Since this was a forum to uncover a crook and his associates, it had information about them.
The new site to get information on Terry/Linda/TimeBeat and this scam will be available shortly and will also have a bulletin board for posting messages and questions. Terry will not be able to do anything about this site, because it will be privately owned and operated. I will post the URL as soon as it is ready.
Also, for Jeffrey of Greensboro, North Carolina, or perhaps Terry: I am glad Jeffrey collects cheap watches, I hope this makes him happy. Why doesn't Jeffrey post his amex receipts instead of telling us about them? I hope he also realizes that by taking the back off of his MA watches he has voided the incredible warranty offered by MA. It is nice that Jeffrey and Linda are so concerned with what I do with my time. But they should not worry, I think I can spare an hour or two a week. The world will decide if MA is around for a while, but they will do so with the truth, not the crap Terry and associates give them. When exactly will Jeffrey find out if the watches are a scam with his head buried in the sand? The proof is right in front of him. Many people may like the way MA watches look, that's great. Franck Muller will be pleased. Terry has admitted on several sites that he uses old books of watches long since out of production to get design concepts for his watches. I offer no opinions to how MA watches look, simply that they are all assembled in Hong Kong and as I have pointed out several times now, all first and most expensive MA watches have China movements in them. And, that all MA watches have fake retail values and that MA uses many forms of disinformation to promote themselves.
So far, Linda and Terry have made several blanket statements that I am a liar. However, they have been unable to clarify or deny all the points I have made.
Scott - black hawk, Colorado
U.S.A.
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Consumer Comment
Submitted: 7/6/2003 5:31:41 PM Modified: 7/6/2003 11:57:23 PM
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Hey Morgan..... Why don't you just take the test? |
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What do you have to hide? No law enforcement is going to ask you to take a lie detector over something like this! That was a good attempt at spinning the situation. You were asked to take a lie detector and your response was that you would take one if law enforecement asked you to? HA! You're a joke. I have two Montres Allison watches and they're extremely nice.
BTW... a bounced check is one that is presented to your bank and bounces away without releasing payment -- - no matter what the reason.... NSF, Stop payment, etc.
People like you have stopped payment on checks in order to commit fraud. I just saw another example on Judge Judy the other day regarding Super Bowl tickets. If its presented and is not paid (for any reason), it has bounced.
You like bouncing checks???? What a retard!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert - Newark, New Jersey
U.S.A.
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Consumer Suggestion
Submitted: 7/8/2003 12:56:24 PM Modified: 7/8/2003 11:08:04 PM
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Montres Allison Quality |
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I am a watch collector and enthusiast with 20+ watches ranging in value from under $500 to over $5000. I have been collecting for 10+ years and avidly studying watches for 5+ years. ( including taking Timezone's watchmaking school )
I personally inspected a Montres Allison Jour et Nuit about 2 years ago, and can categoricaly state that this is a low quality Chinese made timepiece with a fair market value of under $100.
At the time, this model had a suggested retail price of $2500.
Montres Allison's sales technices consist of deception, lies, and exaggeration. Their watches are in violation of US law, as both the movement and case lack country of origion markings.
They are the laughing stock of the fine watch world.
Anyone considering of of these blatant rip-offs is encouraged to post to any of the many watch enthusiast boards such as Timezone, Equation of Time, The Purists, Watch U Seek, or the www newsgroup alt.horology.
Dozens of knowlegable watch enthusiasts, such as myself, will tell you to steer clear of this fraudulent brand.
They are the Enron of the watch world and Terry Allison is the Ken Lay.
John - Santa Barbara, California
U.S.A.
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Consumer Comment
Submitted: 7/26/2003 2:53:17 PM Modified: 7/26/2003 11:39:20 PM
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Montres Allison is a fraud |
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Evidence tells me this Montres Allison company is not making any wrist watches at all. They are buying cheap chinese watches and pretending they made luxury timepieces in an atempt to fool people at ebay auctions.
Mr Terry Allison II should be sued and arrested.
Here in Europe no one has ever seen a MA watch in the stores and all european magazines ignore Montres Allison brand. If you have any doubt just contact ETA,SA, where Mr. Allison says he buys the movements.
This is a shame for all of us who loves fine watches. Allison must be stopped.
Rui - Lisbon, Europe
Portugal
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Consumer Comment
Submitted: 7/28/2003 1:11:24 PM Modified: 7/28/2003 10:51:25 PM
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Montres Allison is the fishiest among the fishy! |
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I first heard about Montres Allison at a Swedish watch forum about 1.5 years ago - and what was said there made me go to Timezone.com and there I found the article comparing a MA Jour et Nuit and a counterfeit Frank Müller. Then I have done my own research and have got confirmed that all allegations and statements about this so-called watch manufacturer company seem to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God.
Now I can nothing else but agree with Scott Morgan when he urges Terry & co to answer some crucial questions.
I'd like to take the opportunity to ask a few myself based on my observations and contacts with the one of the company's so-called authorised dealers.
Scott mentioned that the "history" of Montres Allison, as read on the website, is copied from a legitimate watch manufacturer (RGM). But this is not the only text that Terry has stolen to promote his watches. One member of the Equation-of-Time forum brought my attention to the fact that much of the material under the FAQ is downright copy-and-paste from a Swiss manufacturer, namely IWC! Let's take a closer look at these two cases of plagiarism and copyright violation.
First the "history", to which a laughable statement about an Allison ancestor making watches was added just lately (I keep track of the frequent changes on this site). Changing the past from one week to the next was something the old communist regimes mastered, but an honest watch company with nothing to hide shouldn't need to do that, right? ;-D That part is btw not to be found in the reprint of Watches International 2003, which also is a good giggle among those who have at least some rudimentary knowlegde about real watches. Anyway, we start with the very first line, first from the RGM site http://www.rgmwatches.com/rgm1.html :
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